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Another quality page linked to Jim's Pen is Central! |
More comments are rolling in, listed chronologically, most recent first.
In a separate document we've put a lawyer's opinion about the legality of marching in the nude. [Thanks to TNT!MEN for posting this letter on their site.]
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This comment is anonymous. |
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I've often fantasized about being affirmatively naked in public in the manner that you were at the Toronto Pride parade, and I can honestly say that if I had been there, I would have joined in! The closest I've come to that kind of nudity in public was at the Folsom Street Fair in 1995, where I wore a leather G-string that was very brief and had little vent holes cut in the codpiece allowing a person standing within a foot or so to see in. Actual genital exposure was being actively discouraged by the security officers, so I couldn't have done any more than that, even if I'd dared (which, at the time, I didn't). How much more exciting to bare it ALL and represent your nudist organization HONESTLY!
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This comment is from Sue, who can be reached at asyslez@geocities.com. |
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I agree that there should be freedom of speach etc... but I think it was very unfair of you to put the pride parade in jepordy by joining into the parade without the permission of the organizers. It is very unfortunate that the news always grabs the far ends and trys to protray them as the norms... my partner and I were at the start of the parade (Dykes on Bikes) and were impressed with the participants of the parade until we saw you walking down the road. It is unnecessary and very uncalled for. You could have made your point with a bit of tact but I see that tact must not be in your vocabulary. You had your booth and then it was up to people to decide if they wanted to look at your private (hummm wonder why they call them private???) parts then that was up to them, but by walking down the street you did break the law and tainted what we have been working for for so long. The hetero communittee has started to grow and become involved in our plight but because of this out and out disrespect for others freedom of choice, I would not be suprised if many do not return in future years for the fear that their children and themselves will be subjected to visuals that they do not wish to see. In the past there have been tents set up on Church street where people had the choice to enter and it was easy for people to keep their children away from visuals that they didn't want to see but obviously this was not adiquite for you. I am sorry to all that were pushed away due to your selfishness and only hope that they will see past your small contribution and see the whole picture of what the Pride Parade is really all about. |
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My response |
I understand your point of view, and you make some excellent arguments. But whether this was a good thing or a bad thing for future Pride attendance will be clearer at next year's parade. |
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My roommate's response |
Well, what if someone doesn't want their kids to see Dykes on Bikes? Or doesn't want their kids exposed to bad spelling? What about them, huh??
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This comment is from Boy Wonder, who can be reached at studpuppy21@hotmail.com. |
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I think this site is one of the best around!! I really enjoyed it. I think public nudity is great, I wish I could have been in the parade!!!
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This comment is from Michael. |
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I would like to congratulate you on the site. I must admit that I have been a closet naturist for many years, occasionally venturing to nudist clubs around Toronto but never taking seriously the TNT group or the near-nude Pride participants of parades gone by -- rationalizing that "exhibitionists aren't real naturists." But the web pages you painstakingly constructed and the courage you showed in facing that omniscient and oppressively prurient public which is Ontario reveals that you are not simply an attention-grabbing exhibitionist but a dedicated naturist first and foremost. I stand applauding you. Here's hoping that I will have the courage to join you one day -- if not nude then maybe I can wear one of those pink triangles? Thanks for the much needed "integrity-boost."
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This comment is from Mason, who can be reached at mkmc@why.net. |
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ABSOLUTELY STUPENDOUS!!! I wish gay nudists everywhere had the freedom to do what you all did in Toronto. I am an officer in D/FW Metroplex Association of Naturists and love to be naked. Unfortunately there's not much opportunity in Texas to be naked in public. I did go to Hippie Hollow for last splash this year and loved it (that was the first time I was naked in a public place). I have been trying desperately to organize a camping trip for our club so we can be naked in nature but so far no luck. Sometime soon I hope to be able to visit other areas so I can join in naked activities wherever they are happening. A GREAT BIG NAKED HUG FROM THE MEN IN D/FW MAN.
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This comment is from Inspired Guy, who can be reached at kmonus@aol.com (but be sure to mention "Inspired Guy" in the subject heading). |
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Young 32 year old newly arrived Los Angelino is very happy to have found this sight. I like hanging out with real men and am most happy myself when naked. Just getting into nudity with others present (with buddies and such) and was checking out the web to see what nudists were like. Very cool, man. You rock. Brave and sensible at the same time. Made me feel like trying to explore it further. Best wishes and keep naked, brother.
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This comment is from a fellow who can be reached at pdc@bconnex.com. |
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Saw you web site, it was great. There is nothing wrong with nudity. Wish I had the balls to have marched nude with you.
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This comment is from Rick H., who can be reached at richard@winshop.com.au. |
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Congratulations on your march and the site! Why shouldn't a nude group parade nude at a festival like Pride, it's reasonable? I really agree with what you're saying about public nudity and only wish I could have been there to join the pioneering march. If I had I think my banner would have been "Nudists have rights too". It's often struck me half the problem is that, as you say, nudists can be too polite. They don't get seen and heard enough so people think their rights can be ignored or taken away. I hope your example is the beginning of a new trend and especially that down in Sydney at next Mardi Gras with all its publicity, there will be enough of us taking up the challenge.
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This comment is from flowerpower luv yourself peace brother. |
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Dear mr bear or teddy bear, I just finished reading your web site about being naked, and I must say that we here in conservative AUSTRALIA feel that your conduct although heartwarming is quite unecessary as, if one is soooo comfortable with ones self they would not need to create a whole net page dedicated to the topic.This is not meant to be said in a hurtful or mean manor just a little passage for you think about. By the way Mr.Teddy Bear G'DAY from AUSTRALIA and we hope to see you and the toronto naked (TNT) group at the 1998 Gay & Leso. mardigras, with the winning TNT float.
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This comment is anonymous. |
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Ooops, I forgot -- I really liked your sense of humor and found it to be a very sexy combination with your looks and directness!
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This letter to the editor is from Brenda Walsh, who wrote to the Peterborough Examiner, July 18th, 1997. |
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SEXUALLY REVOLTING PARADE BROKE THE LAW I would like an answer from our politicians and the police as to why charges were not laid when laws were being broken under the guise of a sexually revolting parade in Toronto run by gays. As a Canadian citizen, I am under the understanding that no citizen is above the law. Then why were individuals who were exposing their genitals and carrying on simulated bedroom antics in public not arrested? If my husband walked down the street with his genitals exposed, simulating sexual acts, he'd be arrested as any normal decent citizen would expect him to be. I do not know of a single parade run by heterosexuals that is set up exclusively to demonstrate their sexual preference nor that carries on explicit sexual antics. Do gays not realize that all they do is create more hatred and loathing for themselves by this type of behavior? The only message they are sending is how sexually depraved they are. Why can they not just walk down the street as normally dressed people carrying signs stating what their cause is? Why do they insist on emphasizing how revolting they have become, by their costumes and antics? Why is it always sex, sex, sex? Is that all they can come up with for a theme for a parade? I would think that there might be a couple of intelligent people somewhere in their group who could come up with alternative ideas. My 13-year-old daughter was sickened and revolted by the five seconds that she saw of the parade on the 11 o'clock news that Sunday night. At the same time as I was scrambling to get the remote to change the channel she was screaming at me to change channels as she was instantly nauseated and started to cry. Afterwards she held me and explained that what she saw gave her a bad feeling and those sexual antics made sex look filthy and dirty when she's always been taught it's a beautiful act between two people of the opposite sex in marriage. She also stated that if those people were heterosexuals carrying on that way, she would have felt the same way. She went on to say she was glad her "parents are normal and safe." Those are the words of an innocent adolescent coming to terms with her own sexuality... Why do gays I know hate those parades as much as I do? Why do they feel those parades hurt their cause rather than help? Why do men have to dress up as women if they prefer men? Why does the media even cover this charade when the emphasis is sickening to ordinary citizens sitting in their livingrooms? Why are our politicians walking in this parade with this immorality going on? Why are homosexuals above the law? Exposure of genitals is illegal. The police stated, on the news, that the parade will be no more if they don't clean their act up. It never should have been allowed to get this far in the first place.
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My response |
There are so many incorrect statements here, it's hard to know where to begin. As a lawyer friendly to TNT!MEN pointed out in a different letter to the editor, our nudity was non-sexual and quite legal in the political context of the parade. I wasn't marching nude to say, in effect, look how sexy I am and look at all the sex acts I can do. I was marching nude to strike a blow against society's incessant, nauseating pressures to convince me and my gay brothers that my body and my sexual orientation are dirty and shameful. I can't speak for other groups in the parade, but if it was the TNT!MEN group that revolted her daughter, then it's too bad that her mother hadn't taught her that there's nothing revolting about men's genitals. For this, as I take it, was precisely the point of our march. Again, I cannot speak for others, including TNT!MEN itself. But I did not march for the freedom to fornicate openly in the streets. I marched to show by my words and actions that there is nothing -- nothing -- revolting or shameful about my body, and (in a free country) to express my disgust at those who tried to raise me in a way which would make me ashamed of it. Mrs. Walsh taught her daughter that sex is "a beautiful act between two people of the opposite sex in marriage." If she is not teaching her daughter that it's also a beautiful thing between two men or two women, then she is abusing her parental authority. She thereby loses the right to prevent more enlightened social forces from stepping in to teach her daughter the truth. If she teaches her daughter that men's genitals are disgusting (unless they are her husband's, and she can't see them because the lights are off in their bedroom), then of course her daughter will cry and become upset -- instead of laughing us off, ignoring us, turning her head away, or having some less pathological and unhealthy reaction to a news report broadcast at a time when good children from healthy homes are supposed to be asleep. It is Mrs. Walsh's teaching -- not my body -- which is dangerous, dirty, and shameful. This is a fact which her daughter, unfortunately, may take decades to learn. Let's hope that in the meantime she doesn't fall prey to anorexia, bulimia, breast augmentation surgery, or even transsexualism.
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This comment is anonymous. |
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Thanks so much for including me in your email.. Love what you did with the page and wish I had been at the parade. Looks like it was a great time. I will keep checking it often.
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This comment is from Peter L., who can be reached at Earthguy@iwl.net. |
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Thanks for putting together such a great page and for calling it to my attention. A lot of work obviously went into the page and this gay nudist definitely appreciates all the effort. your coverage on the Gay Pride Parade in Toronto was hot! Thanks and naked hugs. -- Peter
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This comment is from Larry, who can be reached at condor@execulink.com. |
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I guess my concern about marching nude in The Toronto Gay Pride Parade is that we are sending out the wrong msg to the media and public. Unfortunately straights can't think past what we do in bed. I prefer to be recognized for 100% of who I am. The problem is that heteros do not appreciate that being nude and being gay are two completely different things, neither of which is entirely dedicated to sexual activity. Being a sexual being is only one part of who we are. If we want to be integrated into society as equals we have to first present ourselves in such a manner that straights can appreciate us being not a whole lot different then they are.
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This comment is from Ed Clark. |
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Certainly enjoyed the parade, TNT's Saturday party at the Barn and your webpage. I'll try to e-mail you some photos that I took. Keep it up. Keep it off.
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This comment is from JJL. |
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Hello Big Bear! I'm from Malaysia, hey just want to let U know that I love your 10 photos of 'shows'. I think your body is very sexy especially your round tummy. It makes me want to hug U. In my country, nudity is illegal and will end up in jail if ones do that. Wish I were there at the TNT parade!
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This comment is from KaJ. |
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Canada is not the land of the free, home of the brave, etc :)
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Your page on Toronto was fantastic. You are truly on the cutting edge of the nudist movement. From what I have read Toronto is much more open about nudity in bars, etc. than anyplace in the US. I think I will have to visit soon, no? |
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My response: |
Thanks for your compliments! But really the credit for this coup should go to SpIke and Peter (see below). But by all means visit Toronto. They have several nude events in bars each month -- nude dancing, nude socializing -- as well as private parties with two different gay nudist groups! The more $$$ that end up in Toronto as a result of good gay nude tourism, the more likely everyone is to look on the results favorably. Form follows money.
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This comment is from SpIke@sakura.rose.utoronto.ca (David SpIke Drascic). |
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Love the article on why you marched naked. The city hasn't been the same, this past week. There's been some fuss about us [TNT!MEN} marching, and apparently at least one TV station on Friday showed full-frontal shots of at least Peter and I marching. It seems that one silly cop spoke to the stupid paper that quoted you (at least they got that right!) and threatened to shut down Pride Day next year. The rest of the media in Toronto jumped on the story with a statement from the Police Commissioner dismissing the story as "the opinions of one man", and saying that the police were quite pleased with this year's parade. The media also pointed out that Pride Day brings in an estimated $50,000,000 each year, and the city isn't going to mess with that.
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This comment is anonymous. |
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I was at the gay pride parade in Toronto, taking random pictures from the roof of a building. Got the photos back and noticed the e-mail address on the sign you were holding. Very clever! You'll probably get e-mail from all over the world, you big bear stud!
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This comment is anonymous. |
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Hello NudeBear, I could hardly control myself when I saw you going down Yonge St. I wanted to lick you all over, but I'm a shy cub. You were the woofiest bear in the parade! I hope you are from Toronto, because I'd love to snuggle up to your furry chest...woof woof woof!
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